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maryh10000's avatar

I think you’re really on to something here. I’ve been reading the Aeneid, the Iliad, and the Odyssey over the last couple of years and I’m going to be thinking about them again from the point of view of these two “grammars.”

The story of Aeneas and Dido looks to me like this male romance grammar. According to Virgil, Aeneas really did love Dido, and not just sexually. It was definitely a case where he had to keep moving, even if wanted to stay. Worse, the gods play around with the two of them, and give Aeneas the idea that it might actually be allowed to stay in Carthage and re-plant his Trojans there, instead of going further and ending up in Rome. Then Mercury shows up.

My poem from his point of view: https://maryh10000.substack.com/p/aeneas-love-for-dido

Caroline Furlong's avatar

I like the distillation of the view from which female and male romances operate - i.e. female is "Who will choose me and build a future with me?" while male is "Who will see me truly as I move through the world?" - but to say male romances end in tragedy is inaccurate. Louis L'Amour's romances certainly have the "movement" of men making their way through the world, but those men are always looking for a partner with whom to move through the world as they work and build.

Sometimes, too, there are complications. In *Sitka*, the male lead falls in love with a married woman. Her first (older) husband does die in the narrative (not at the hero's hand) but that doesn't stop the male lead from being firm in his belief that he will love no other woman save her even when she is initially out of his reach, staying loyal to her first husband. *Last Stand at Papago Wells* has Logan Cade, an Army scout, fall in love with a wealthy rancher's daughter as she tries to elope with another man. She eventually comes to the realization that Cade is the better man and chooses him over her initial fiance. *The Cherokee Trail* has no confirmed romance in it, though Temple Boone and the local rancher both are intrigued by Mary Breydon when she comes to take over the stage station on the titular trail. L'Amour ends the novel without indicating which man Mary may be interested in - or if she is interested in either at all.

In none of these stories do the women die, yet they are all attractive to men who move through the world and they are still books which male readers enjoy. Based on this overview, it would seem more accurate to say that male romance follows a man seeking a woman who will watch and support him as he moves through the world, and who will help him build in it, starting with building his family! Which examples were you thinking of in your analysis where the women always die?

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